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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> well, they're not backing down, of course. they're also running misleading radio ads on the same topic. in cities like date everybody and toledo. michael steele is the former chairman, an honest chairman of the rnc, and ron reagan is a radio talk show hosts. both of my guests are msnbc political analysts. i want to start with ron. this stuff, you know, weeks ago the romney campaign said we're not going to let this campaign be run by fact checkers. i mean, i have never heard it said where you just say we don't care if you find out we're lying. lying is a bad word. we don't care if you catch us. we're going to keep doing it. because we're desperate. >> yeah, well, they may be desperate. ohio is going to be the clincher for this election. everybody has been saying it and it's probably true. so mitt romney probably hopes that the truth isn't going to find him in ohio at some point here. he's been a shape shifter his entire politi
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> well, they're not backing down, of course. they're also running misleading radio ads on the same topic. in cities like date everybody and toledo. michael steele is the former chairman, an honest chairman of the rnc, and ron reagan is a radio talk show hosts. both of my guests are msnbc political analysts. i want to start with...
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. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeep in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> that is actually an official campaign ad. rana, does this argument hold water with the ohio voters, that the president was actually -- is outsourcing american jobs and didn't actually save the american auto industry? >> i'm going to guess no. in part because you know, making jeeps in china might be assembling them in china to sell to chinese middle-class consumers who are actually bringing money then back to the u.s. >> as every car company does. >> as every car company does. and that's actually an important point. and, you know, we often try to portray these countries as job stealers but they're products for u.s. markets. >> i don't think there's any doubt like the ad falls apart on the details, it does, but how big a scare word is china. it's a big scare word in places like ohio and not something that's happened in the l
. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeep in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> that is actually an official campaign ad. rana, does this argument hold water with the ohio voters, that the president was actually -- is outsourcing american jobs and didn't actually save the american auto industry? >> i'm going to guess no. in part because...
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it's chrysler, first of all. >> sorry. i'm sorry. >> jeep has said they're going to reopen a facility that was closed after daimlerchrysler, you know, broke apart years ago. it will be in china to produce for the chinese market, and that's all the ad says. there's nothing inaccurate about it. those jeeps are now being produced in america, and they're being exported to china in an asian market. >> the suggestion that the jobs are being exported has been denied by the auto companies. >> well, there's -- you know, that's a suggestion that you might want to make, but, you know, that's not what the ad said. i'm delight chrysler is making an investment, and fee at is making an investment in ohio. i'm supportive of that. it's great if they want to expand production here. i hope they will. the fact is that we now are proud to send to china, to estaz wra. we export about 25% of what we make here, and so if you're going to start production facilities overseas, obviously we're going to lose some of our exports here. that's all the ad
it's chrysler, first of all. >> sorry. i'm sorry. >> jeep has said they're going to reopen a facility that was closed after daimlerchrysler, you know, broke apart years ago. it will be in china to produce for the chinese market, and that's all the ad says. there's nothing inaccurate about it. those jeeps are now being produced in america, and they're being exported to china in an asian market. >> the suggestion that the jobs are being exported has been denied by the auto...
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president obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. taxpayers still stand to lose $25 billion from the president's politically managed bankruptcy. these companies, chrysler in particular, we know their story, are now choosing to expand manufacturing overseas. these are the facts. >> remember the president talked about romnesia? well, it's contagious. congressman ryan. congressman ryan's caught it. let me tell you the facts. congressman ryan voted with us. he voted in the congress with us. >> joining me now, msnbc's joy reid and robert reich, former clinton labor secretary, university of california at berkeley economics professor, and author of "beyond outrage." joy reid, do you know florida? has no one told jeb bush this thing about his brother's lack of popularity with the american public? >> poor jeb keeps trying. he tried it at the convention too. he just tries to slip george in there every so often. >> you can't blame a brother, though. >> he loves his brother. you know, he keeps trying to get him back on the stage, and republicans
president obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. taxpayers still stand to lose $25 billion from the president's politically managed bankruptcy. these companies, chrysler in particular, we know their story, are now choosing to expand manufacturing overseas. these are the facts. >> remember the president talked about romnesia? well, it's contagious. congressman ryan. congressman ryan's caught it. let me tell you the facts. congressman ryan voted with us. he voted in the congress with...
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both chrysler and gm are firing back at romney. chrysler ceo said in a statement jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the united states and will con sstitute th backbone of the grand. it is inaccurate to suggest anything different. a gm spokesman told the detroit news, quote, we've clearly enter ed some parallel universe during the last few days, no amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish the record of creating jobs in the united states. remember, this new romney jeep ad claims that all factual statements in it, the implication is different, but the statements themselves say jeep is being built in china, which the ad says for the implication, of course, is this idea that they're moving some operations out of ohio to china and that's what both gm and chrysler are fighting back on is that perception. ohio papers pummeling romney for the ad. they called it a ploy in an editorial yesterday and said romney is flailing in ohio. and don't forget that detroit, where the free press is heavily criticized rom
both chrysler and gm are firing back at romney. chrysler ceo said in a statement jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the united states and will con sstitute th backbone of the grand. it is inaccurate to suggest anything different. a gm spokesman told the detroit news, quote, we've clearly enter ed some parallel universe during the last few days, no amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish the record of creating jobs in the united states. remember, this new...
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> despite chrysler's flat-out denial of romney's china claim, the romney campaign took his lie a step further today with this radio ad in toledo, ohio, which is home to a jeep plant. >> barack obama says he saved the auto industry, but for who? ohio or china? under president obama, gm cut 15,000 american jobs, but they're planning to double the number of cars built in china which means 15,000 more jobs for china. and now comes word that chrysler plans to start making jeeps in, you guessed it, china. what happened to the promises made to autoworkers in toledo and throughout ohio? >> that provoked general motors spokesman to release this statement "we've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days. no amount of campaign politics at its since call worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the u.s. and repatriating profits back to this country." and in an
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> despite chrysler's flat-out denial of romney's china claim, the romney campaign took his lie a step further today with this radio ad in toledo, ohio, which is home to a jeep plant. >> barack obama says he saved the auto industry, but for who? ohio or china? under...
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two statements by chrysler corporation. they're expanding jeep production here in the united states. they're spending billions of dollars in every plant that builds jeep products. in toledo, ohio, in belvedere, illinois, in detroit, michigan. they're doubling -- chrysler is doubling down on their investment and creating jobs in america. general motors, which romney claimed is taking a tax dollars to china, they invested $8.5 billion in the united states of america. in michigan, in ohio, in tennessee, all over this country. they're investing, creating jobs, helping us to get out of the doldrums that we've been in in the economy. the strongest thing in the american economy right now is the automobile industry. and for him to really drive customers away by making these reckless statements is really wrong. he said in the debate, i wouldn't do anything to hurt gm or chrysler. baloney. he's doing it right now. he's telling lies about these -- misinformation and lies about these companies that could potentially drive customers awa
two statements by chrysler corporation. they're expanding jeep production here in the united states. they're spending billions of dollars in every plant that builds jeep products. in toledo, ohio, in belvedere, illinois, in detroit, michigan. they're doubling -- chrysler is doubling down on their investment and creating jobs in america. general motors, which romney claimed is taking a tax dollars to china, they invested $8.5 billion in the united states of america. in michigan, in ohio, in...
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you have chrysler now coming back and responding saying, stop this. this is not what we're doing. >> indeed. >> it just doesn't seem to matter. >> well done, mr. romney. >> dana mill barng, thank ybank. and we'll be right back. jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi® card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts. more events. more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ] get more access with a citi card. [ crowd cheering, mouse clicks ] [ male announcer ] it's time for medicare open enrollment. are you ready? time to compare plans and see what's new. you don't have to make changes, but it's good to look. maybe you can find better coverage, save money, or both. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. ♪ medicare open enrollment. now's the
you have chrysler now coming back and responding saying, stop this. this is not what we're doing. >> indeed. >> it just doesn't seem to matter. >> well done, mr. romney. >> dana mill barng, thank ybank. and we'll be right back. jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl...
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it's not praying with the facts when gm and chrysler both say it's not true unless you produce facts and we've not seen it from the romney campaign that jobs are going to china, that their aassertion is true. then the opposite of truth is what? >> well, i mean, that's absolutely the right question to be asking. look, we've seen a lot of things said over the course of this campaign, so it's possible that the campaign making the calculation, hey, we could ain and maybe not getting called out on it. we have fact checkers and we have a great one here. i think everybody in the media is working especially in the final days to figure out what's true and what isn't. that's the reason ffs a significant risk. >> let me play what governor romney has said, david. i want to get your response. essaying don't look at the ads but the record. le met play what he said. >> look beyond the speeches and the attacks and the ads. look to the records toshgts accomplishments and the failures and judgments. word are cheap. >> the concern, at least i know for some democrats, is that this message of, hey, there
it's not praying with the facts when gm and chrysler both say it's not true unless you produce facts and we've not seen it from the romney campaign that jobs are going to china, that their aassertion is true. then the opposite of truth is what? >> well, i mean, that's absolutely the right question to be asking. look, we've seen a lot of things said over the course of this campaign, so it's possible that the campaign making the calculation, hey, we could ain and maybe not getting called...
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> chrysler thought that ad was so misleading they put out a statement making the point that, in fact, they're adding 1100 jobs in detroit and any jeeps that are made in china are for the people of china. was that a mistake on their part? a lot of newspapers have fact-checked that, john, and said it just isn't so. >> the truth hurts, huh? he did sell chrysler to the italians and they own it. i think this is an important point, because mitt romney did say that his plan would be better for the auto industry. now, i'm someone who is pro-bailout when the bush administration did it. i think he had to bail out. i think that mitt romney believed you had to work to save those jobs. it was a different approach, but i think that that is a critical voting bloc. i also think that the coal vote is a critical vote in ohio. those folks will start coming mitt romney's way. >> there are conservative swaths in ohio. you know that very well, david
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> chrysler thought that ad was so misleading they put out a statement making the point that, in fact, they're adding 1100 jobs in detroit and any jeeps that are made in china are for the people of china. was that a mistake on their part? a lot of newspapers have fact-checked that, john, and said it just isn't so. >> the truth...
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and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who will build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> romney: i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> bill: how about a little fact checking on that ad, judd? >> yeah. it is really, i think probably the most dishonest ad we've seen this campaign cycle. at least at the presidential level. >> bill: which is saying something, isn't it? >> it is saying something. is it it starts off right at the beginning when mitt romney says i have a plan to help the auto industry. and as it turns out he has no plan. there's nothing on his web site and actually reporters have followed up and they've said could you send us a copy of the plan. and there is no plan. no one's gotten anything. so i guess it is just the idea that -- saying you have a plan is more important than actually having a plan. >> bill: also when he says i have a plan for 12 million new jobs and we haven't seen the plan yet either. on the auto industry, it is kind of late after g.m. and chrysler are already back, right? already back
and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who will build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> romney: i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> bill: how about a little fact checking on that ad, judd? >> yeah. it is really, i think probably the most dishonest ad we've seen this campaign cycle. at least at the presidential level. >> bill: which is saying something, isn't it? >> it is saying something. is it it...
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chrysler tried again to set mr. romney straight on this saying, "jeep production will not be moved from the united states to china." did mr. romney take it back? no. he turned it into another ad, a radio ad, again for ohio. and he expanded it to say the entire auto bailout has been a huge failure. that drew another company into the fact check, gm, which had been saved of course by the auto bailout. a gm spokesman telling the press, "we've clearly entered some parallel universe." also from gm, "at this stage we're looking at hubble telescope-like distances between campaign ads and reality." but here's the thing. it is one thing to lie about your record or even your opponent's record. but what mr. romney has done here is to lie about a third party. in that third party's back yard. and you can tell that mr. romney's ohio lie about jeep is not going to work in ohio in part because ohio voters follow the car industry like it's the local football team. the romney campaign's running these ads in youngstown, for example. ta
chrysler tried again to set mr. romney straight on this saying, "jeep production will not be moved from the united states to china." did mr. romney take it back? no. he turned it into another ad, a radio ad, again for ohio. and he expanded it to say the entire auto bailout has been a huge failure. that drew another company into the fact check, gm, which had been saved of course by the auto bailout. a gm spokesman telling the press, "we've clearly entered some parallel...
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>> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. >> to quote bill clinton, that takes brass. but that ad got four pinocchios from washington post, got pats on fire from politico. so obviously he stopped, right? wrong. he's now buying ohio ads in the ohio city home of the jeep plant. >> now come words that chrysler plans to start making jeeps in, you guessed it, china. what happened to the promises made to autoworkers in toledo and throughout ohio? the same hard working men and went who were told obama's auto bailout would help them? >> today chrysler's ceo sent a letter to employees saying, i feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position. jeep productions will not be moved from the united states to chi china. it is inaccurate to suggest anything different. inaccurate is a kind way of putting it. when corrected time and time again, governor romney has walked away from the truth. he hasn't fibbed, he hasn't mud idea the facts. he lied. and it's a lie he is selling to the people of ohio. it's desperate behavior from a de
>> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. >> to quote bill clinton, that takes brass. but that ad got four pinocchios from washington post, got pats on fire from politico. so obviously he stopped, right? wrong. he's now buying ohio ads in the ohio city home of the jeep plant. >> now come words that chrysler plans to start making jeeps in, you guessed it, china. what happened to the promises made to...
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. ♪ >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to china who will start building jeeps. >> jennifer: fact check.org calls the commercial deceptive, misleading and out-right false. those truth-seeking organizations are really a relatively new phenomenon and as barry link tells us in part three of our series the selling of the president, in the past many false claims went unchecked. >> michael dukakis saw his fortunes contain income 1988 when the opposition aired this spot. >> michael dukakis has opposed almost every defense system we have developed. >> this was a photo opportunity staged by the dukakis campaign. the bush campaign brilliantly took the footage and used it against dukakis. the election results actually were swayed by the tv commercial. the fact listed were exaggerations, and dukakis actually answered them. there was a countered a that responded to the charges, but that didn't really matter because what really mattered was the image. in 1988 the media wasn't doing fact checks so ad makers could create images that were loosely based in truth and then ex
. ♪ >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to china who will start building jeeps. >> jennifer: fact check.org calls the commercial deceptive, misleading and out-right false. those truth-seeking organizations are really a relatively new phenomenon and as barry link tells us in part three of our series the selling of the president, in the past many false claims went unchecked. >> michael dukakis saw his fortunes contain income 1988 when the opposition...
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with this heavy pushback of gm and chrysler do you think that the romney campaign anticipated this at all and why continue to defend the ad and not pull it down? >> i have no idea whether they anticipated to get this kind of pushback. but as we wrote and you just mentioned, the body language to have to resort to this sort of ad looks to be a game changer. if you are up in the tracking you don't run an ad like that. trying to really change the conversation. trying to muddy the waters. that's something you typically do when you're behind. the romney campaign insists to me we feel like we're in a very good position in ohio. we're within striking distance but the polls show president obama with a five-point lead. some had it smaller. >> quickly, they say the economy is improving and according to the polls most give president obama a credit for. >> we're actually seeing that people voting for president obama supporting him in polls optimistic and bullish on the state of the economy. if you're a romney voter or you're leaning towards romney in the polls probably have the opposite view. that
with this heavy pushback of gm and chrysler do you think that the romney campaign anticipated this at all and why continue to defend the ad and not pull it down? >> i have no idea whether they anticipated to get this kind of pushback. but as we wrote and you just mentioned, the body language to have to resort to this sort of ad looks to be a game changer. if you are up in the tracking you don't run an ad like that. trying to really change the conversation. trying to muddy the waters....
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you look at that chrysler ad, you look at this desperate republican ad trying to convince black folk that the republican party are on their side. they speak down to voters and let voters understand the ways in which politics gets really, really messy at this stage of the game. >> it's not just the campaign, it's the character of the man. that's what's being exposed to ari's point. >> yes. >> by these ads. is that not true? if you willfully lie repeatedly to the electorate, what does that say about you as an individual? >> it doesn't speak very highly of you. again, i'm all about authenticity and truth in politics. i know that seems really, really crazy in the 21st century. i think the american electorate is with me on this. at the end of the day mitt romney has played with the truth fast and furious, as we said, many times on your show. this is the result, the six-point deficit in ohio. >> despite that misleading g-pad, he hasn't made any inroads in ohio, as we've heard. we've heard about this absurd ad in spanish to latino voters where there's the president linked to fidel, hugo cha
you look at that chrysler ad, you look at this desperate republican ad trying to convince black folk that the republican party are on their side. they speak down to voters and let voters understand the ways in which politics gets really, really messy at this stage of the game. >> it's not just the campaign, it's the character of the man. that's what's being exposed to ari's point. >> yes. >> by these ads. is that not true? if you willfully lie repeatedly to the electorate,...
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obama sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps? china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> romney: i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> bill: james what is the romney campaign's response to the fact checking? >> they haven't spoken publicly about it. they have kept it very low-key, i think they hoped that no one would really notice. there is unquestionably damage done to mitt romney because of his opposition to the auto bailout. the obama campaign is aggressively running ads around romney saying let detroit go bankrupt. >> bill: uh-huh. >> and romney knows he needs to deal with it. yesterday romney had three events, spoke about 25 minutes at each of them didn't say a word about the bailout or anything like that, and at each event any obama response was the auto bailout. and chrysler denies the claim in that ad that they are going to be sending jeep jobs to china. and portman introducing romney noted that he had supported the auto bailout when it happened and then made that whole pitch which is ultimately romney is
obama sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps? china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> romney: i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> bill: james what is the romney campaign's response to the fact checking? >> they haven't spoken publicly about it. they have kept it very low-key, i think they hoped that no one would really notice. there is unquestionably damage done to mitt romney because of his opposition to the auto bailout. the obama...
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chrysler plans to start making jeeps in china. what happened to the promises made to autoworkers in ohio? this same hard-working men and women who were told the auto bailout would help them. mitt romney would welcome the auto industry baneber. mitt romney, he will stand up for the auto industry in ohio. not china. host: so that is a radio ad that we were talking about. this has been on television ads across all media markets as well. guest: what i have seen in northeast ohio, yes, there is a version of that that runs. it has drawn a strong rebuke from the owners of chrysler. again, it is taking two unrelated things and trying to argue that the president is responsible for the shipping of jobs to china. there are investment being made in jeep in ohio. i think it is an example of how important the although voter is. -- the auto voter is. there may be some people who peel off who get upset about that china issue. host: running ads directly challenging the mitt romney ad, here is one of those obama ads now. >> when the auto industry f
chrysler plans to start making jeeps in china. what happened to the promises made to autoworkers in ohio? this same hard-working men and women who were told the auto bailout would help them. mitt romney would welcome the auto industry baneber. mitt romney, he will stand up for the auto industry in ohio. not china. host: so that is a radio ad that we were talking about. this has been on television ads across all media markets as well. guest: what i have seen in northeast ohio, yes, there is a...
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. >> what do you make of this republican ad that's been out there running for romney saying that chrysler is going to take jeep out of the state and send those jobs to china? >> it's playing on the fears of people and flat false. the most cynical play i've seep, and there is an editorial in the denver post saying this goes to character. >> if that is a hail mary pass on the romney campaign, it seems not to have worked. you have auto executives coming out saying that's a lie. >> they made a calculation in the romney campaign saying you have more power in the advertising, meaning if you can play it enough times, it doesn't matter whether or not the fact checkers call it, because what gets ahead of the fact checking is the ad. >> but chris, maybe i'm just naive about this -- >> no, you're not. >> i feel like sit a real underestimation of the american public that you can put this out there, people are going to march in line over the edge. it is a crass estimation of the american voter. >> i think there are a couple of these out there. two of these out there now are republican. that ad, which
. >> what do you make of this republican ad that's been out there running for romney saying that chrysler is going to take jeep out of the state and send those jobs to china? >> it's playing on the fears of people and flat false. the most cynical play i've seep, and there is an editorial in the denver post saying this goes to character. >> if that is a hail mary pass on the romney campaign, it seems not to have worked. you have auto executives coming out saying that's a lie....
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians that are going to build jeeps in china. >> romney's new ad running in ohio claims that president obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. interesting. because romney preferred a managed bankruptcy for the car companies. he claimed that jeeps are going to be built in china by italians. the ceo of chrysler found that whopper too much to bear and issued a statement to say, . >> who will be best for the auto industry? it may not be the guy whose car ad is full of holes. joining me from detroit is jonathan cone. >> thanks for having me on. when we talk cars, i get out my transformers and have this whole thing about president obama being optimist prime. is the car issues going to be the thing that turns ohio voters? >> it is a huge issue. in ohio, 1 of every 8 jobs is tied to the auto industry. the voters there, they understand how important the auto rescue, the obama's decision to provide chrysler and g.m. loans. they know how important that was. people forget now but 2008, 2009 when g.m. and chrysler were on the ve
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians that are going to build jeeps in china. >> romney's new ad running in ohio claims that president obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. interesting. because romney preferred a managed bankruptcy for the car companies. he claimed that jeeps are going to be built in china by italians. the ceo of chrysler found that whopper too much to bear and issued a statement to say, . >> who will be best for the auto...
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and chrysler -- at fiat, chrysler said this would take a circus acrobat to read the article that way. that's when you shut down. no. then they go up with an ad saying it. then they get called out by the head of fiat. and then they get called out by gm. then they go up with a radio ad that is even more aggressive, and then paul ryan goes out on the trail and goes back to romney and romney's initial arguments about they're shipping stuff over and totally trashing the auto bailout without ever mentioning that paul ryan voted for the auto bailout. it is surreal and i have to tell you "the toledo blade" my old paper, front page stories each day about this isn't true, how are people responding. i think that when the history of this campaign is written, there's going to be a chapter on this and it's going to be mitt romney's -- i mean, it is a high bar, mitt romney's dumbest move. >> betsey, can you adjudicate a little bit this dispute about what happened in auto in terms of mitt romney's contention that he was basically for the policy that ended up happening even though he clearly was inter
and chrysler -- at fiat, chrysler said this would take a circus acrobat to read the article that way. that's when you shut down. no. then they go up with an ad saying it. then they get called out by the head of fiat. and then they get called out by gm. then they go up with a radio ad that is even more aggressive, and then paul ryan goes out on the trail and goes back to romney and romney's initial arguments about they're shipping stuff over and totally trashing the auto bailout without ever...